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Military Lifts Ban On Women In Combat: Political or Practical Decision?

The move reverses a 1994 rule that prohibited women from serving in thousands of front-line positions and potentially elite commando jobs.

 

On Thursday, U.S. military officials decided to lift the country's ban on women serving in combat, reversing a 1994 rule that prohibited women from such roles.

Recommended by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta's decision allowing women to serve on the front lines and elite positions in combat will be historic for women's rights supporters. According to USA Today:

"The services will develop plans for allowing women to seek the combat positions. Some jobs may open as soon as this year. Assessments for others, such as special operations forces, including Navy SEALs and the Army's Delta Force, may take longer  ...

The move expands the Pentagon's action - nearly a year ago - that opened about 14,500 combat positions to women, nearly all of them in the Army. This decision could open more than 230,000 jobs, many in Army and Marine infantry units, to women."

As expected, there was dissension as the announcement came. Quoted on usnews.nbcnews.com, Republican California Rep. Duncan Hunter, a Marine combat veteran, said that the question was whether the change would “actually make our military better at operating in combat and killing the enemy.”

“What needs to be explained is how this decision, when all is said and done, increases combat effectiveness rather than being a move done for political purposes,” Hunter said.

And Ryan Smith, a Marine infantryman in Iraq, wrote an opinion piece for the Wall Street Journal.

In 2003, his unit had gone more than a month without showering and then was lined up naked to be pressure-washed.

“It would be distracting and potentially traumatizing to be forced to be naked in front of the opposite sex, particularly when your body has been ravaged by lack of hygiene,” Smith wrote. “In the reverse, it would be painful to witness a member of the opposite sex in such an uncomfortable and awkward position."

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and a former POW in Vietnam, voiced support for the decision. But he expressed caution, saying he wanted “to make sure that the standards, particularly the physical standards, are met so that the combat efficiency of the units are not degraded.”

And a CNN thread that quickly began included Twitter handle sallymae:

sallymae: I hate to tell you guys, but as a WOMAN VETERAN, we serve and do the same jobs as MEN and get the same pay OR HIGHER than men. Women outrank men, and there are more women officers than men. If you're too insecure to handle that, then prove it. Put on a pair of combat boots and grow some!

I can bet the trolls sitting at home with beer bellies and no jobs are the ones disrespecting the women who will be saving your butts! Enlist -- serve our country -- and then come talk to me! BTW -- I can kick you ass any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

What do you think? Is it time for women to head to the front lines? Will efficiency of military units be maintained? Is this a decision made by political correctness or practicality?

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mrmyers January 26, 2013 at 01:39 pm
If the women applying for combat positions take the same stance as sallymae, above, I would not have a problem with it. However, if we start to lower standards, like we did for fire fighters to comply with affirmative action, we will do our country, the fighting men, and women a disservice. Already there is talk of lowering standards. How does sallymae feel about that? It flies into the face of her argument.
Joint Chiefs Chairman: If Women Can’t Meet Combat Standards, Maybe Lower The Standards. Read more: http://conservativebyte.com/2013/01/joint-chiefs-chairman-if-women-cant-meet-combat-standards-maybe-lower-the-standards/#ixzz2J6HJugWm
Soren Sjogren January 26, 2013 at 02:21 pm
In the Danish army women and men have served on equal terms for years. I had women serve in my combat unit in Iraq and Afghanistan. The key is simple: Make sure everybody meet the same standards.
The idea that women should meet lower standards is dangerous reducing the fighting capability of the entire unit.
mrmyers January 26, 2013 at 02:28 pm
A good example is the Israeli Army. Again, the key is to not lower standards.
Cris January 26, 2013 at 03:37 pm
There have been NO plans to lower standards. What General Dempsey said was that the standards will be reviewed. Those standards could include weight, height which may need to be revised for the general smaller stature of women.
Not every woman will be able to meet the other standards, but as Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said "Everyone is entitled to a chance." Personally, I would rather no one was in combat positions, but human nature does not allow for that. I would far rather see equality that would encourage males to assume more female roles in society, rather than the other way around, but I guess you have to take baby steps...
JoeD January 26, 2013 at 04:14 pm
So does this mean young women will be required to register for the draft when they turn 17or18, as young men do today?
KMD January 26, 2013 at 04:51 pm
JoeD ours is an all voluntary military. Believe it or not, people get turned away.
I wonder if women will expect there heads be shaved like men in the name of equality?
Roger Pickler January 26, 2013 at 09:11 pm
When will women open the door for me and post the tab?
Bob M January 26, 2013 at 09:15 pm
Directly from the Selective Service web site today:
"Even though the Secretary of Defense has decided to allow women in combat jobs, the law has not been changed to include this. Consequently, only men are currently required to register by law with Selective Service during ages 18 thru 25. Women still do not register. (January 24, 2013)" So, they still are not equal. Let's see if the movement to change this happens. From personal experience, combat can be a dirty, grueling, filthy, fatiguing, horrific event in which the most basic human survival instincts drive combatants to survive and I do not wish it upon any young woman.
JTB January 26, 2013 at 09:28 pm
"In the Danish army women and men have served on equal terms for years."
WOW! Now there's a world power we should model ourselves after. Women continue to demand access to everything a man has or does and yet refuse to reciprocate. Maybe I would like to enjoy some of the things women are able to enjoy in those exclusive "women only" clubs of theirs? It seems that our society has "evolved" to the point that everyone has rights except men - especially white men. And please, let's be PC at all costs. Everyone gets a trophy nowadays - even if you come in last. So there really is no need to win the war/battle or anything. I'm sure our enemies will make allowances for hand-to-hand combat, restroom usage, etc. for our new wave of femme fatales. Especially in the Middle East where women are really put up on a pedestal.
Frank Geefay January 26, 2013 at 09:51 pm
This is all about equal promotional opportunities. It is a fact that a combat soldier or officer has far better promotional opportunities than a noncombatant. If women do not have equal opportunities for combat duty then they will have far fewer promotional opportunities than their men counterparts with combat duty. Now that women have the opportunity for combat positions they will have more promotional opportunities.
As for physical abilities, I am not convinced that all of the current physical standards translate to performance on the battlefield or battle conditions. As indicated these standards need to be re-examined. Maybe some need to be toughened or created and others reduced or eliminated. It should be about having appropriate standard that relate to combat conditions whether they are equal or not for men and women. For example men might be required to do a forced 12 mile march carrying a 100 lb. pack and women a 15 mile march carrying an 80 lb. pack: strength vs. endurance, both having value during combat. There are other countries where women serve in combat positions with men with high military standards like Israel that could be used as example of military standard for men and women. There are very strong women and very weak men. I agree that both men and women must have the physical attributes to best execute and survive combat situations when sent in harm’s way.
Frank Geefay January 26, 2013 at 10:07 pm
Where in the military do women have more rights or promotional opportunities than men or even in the private sector where they are half the population? This is still a male dominated society where there has never been a female commander in chief or where men far outnumber women in executive positions or in Congress or other high level positions. Yet they are 50% of our general population. Is it because they are fundamentally less able to lead and make decisions or are basically less intelligent?
Craig Wiesner January 27, 2013 at 12:44 pm
This is good news for women's rights and as a veteran I agree completely with the decision, but.... to quote Arlo Guthrie:
Last night I had the strangest dream I'd ever dreamed before I dreamed the world had all agreed To put an end to war I dreamed I saw a mighty room Filled with women and men And the paper they were signing said They'd never fight again And when the paper was all signed And a million copies made They all joined hands and bowed their heads And grateful pray'rs were prayed And the people in the streets below Were dancing 'round and 'round While swords and guns and uniforms Were scattered on the ground Last night I had the strangest dream I'd never dreamed before I dreamed the world had all agreed To put an end to war.
mrmyers January 27, 2013 at 01:15 pm
Well, until that dream comes true be ready to sign up for the draft and to have your head shaved. (since you already served, and thank you for that by the way, this is for your replacements.)
Michelle McIntyre January 27, 2013 at 02:06 pm
It's always a good decision to make things more equal among the sexes. You'll have to admit it was pretty odd to have Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State while women were highly limited in their military careers. This means that when the women went to apply for certain military jobs, they were told there were several they were not allowed to do. This seems so backward in modern society. So women can be Secretary of State, but they cannot hold senior military jobs? A woman can be CEO of both IBM and HP but not do several military jobs? That's just wrong. The change sounds logical and long overdue. I agree with some of the comments that war is bad though. The less fighting the better but unfortunately it's a necessary evil.
Susan January 27, 2013 at 02:44 pm
Again, we do not have a draft; it was discontinued in 1973. And with an all volunteer military, I don't see anything wrong with women registering for the Selective Service. Frankly, there should be more selections to "serve" our nation besides going to war, the Peace Corps being one example.
And this dated stereotype about head shaving, I guess you folks missed that whole Sinead O'Connor look about 25 years ago, too. I'm pretty sure the last thing someone with the courage to volunteer for the military is worrying about is having their head shaved.
mrmyers January 27, 2013 at 05:09 pm
Susan: "sign up for the draft" vs. 'registering for selective service'. I don't see the difference you apparently do, unless you assume I believe there is an active draft. Head shaved? the comment came up earlier and I liked it. When I served the women didn't get the same hair cut we did. Probably have hair stylist now, for both genders.
Susan January 27, 2013 at 05:44 pm
First, thank you for your service. I understand the difference to be you don't have a choice in the matter with the draft, whereas registering with the SS is just a way for the government to keep tabs on a young man in case they needed to reinstitute the draft.
We probably agree it's not fair that women aren't required to register for the SS. I can appreciate this being a source of resentment, and with some tweaking to the definition of service it need not be. Another way young people could serve is in the area of diplomacy, perhaps under the Department of State instead of the DoD.
JTB January 27, 2013 at 10:07 pm
You know, everything isn't always "fair" in life. Our president and many ohers are destroying our economy, military, fire departments, police departments, social outlets, collegiate sports programs, etc. trying to make it so. Be thankful the sexes are not equal. Women are better at some things than men and vice-versa. Accept it. Learn to live with it. In fact, celebrate it. Seacrest out...
Frank Geefay January 29, 2013 at 09:47 pm
If a baboon can pass the written and physical requirements let it sign up for combat training. If it passes training and all the training requirements then let it become a combat soldier. Why should this be a problem?
Dakota harris March 6, 2013 at 05:42 pm
I think women deserve to fight in the front line with the men. Women have the right and the strength to be in the front line. Why keep them in the back? Your ancestors helped let women get the rights they have today why start limiting them more? I am a young woman and I told my father I wanted to fight for our country and he laughed but my little brother told him that he wanted to protect our country and he said yes you can take care of your sister. Guys don't want the women population to go down which is why they don't want the women in the front line where they could get hurt but that hasn't stopped a guy from beating a women. When a guy hears that a women is going in the military they freak out like there is not another girl who is in the military. I support the fact that Panetta Wanted to give women one more right to actually get to go and fight for the country instead of just sitting in a small hospital for the soldiers and the women get to clean them up. It's not like the movies make it when a women is in the military they have to clean the people and put stiches in them or watch someone die in the hospital right in front of their eyes.
Dakota Harris March 6, 2013 at 05:44 pm
I think women deserve to fight in the front line with the men. Women have the right and the strength to be in the front line. Why keep them in the back? Your ancestors helped let women get the rights they have today why start limiting them more? I am a young woman and I told my father I wanted to fight for our country and he laughed but my little brother told him that he wanted to protect our country and he said yes you can take care of your sister. Guys don't want the women population to go down which is why they don't want the women in the front line where they could get hurt but that hasn't stopped a guy from beating a women. When a guy hears that a women is going in the military they freak out like there is not another girl who is in the military. I support the fact that Panetta Wanted to give women one more right to actually get to go and fight for the country instead of just sitting in a small hospital for the soldiers and the women get to clean them up. It's not like the movies make it when a women is in the military they have to clean the people and put stiches in them or watch someone die in the hospital right in front of their eyes.

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